9.28.2004

I have an advance copy of Thursday's debate... (as seen on bartcop)

"Question: Mr. President, when the Saudis from Afghanistan attacked us on 9-11, you made the decision, over the objection of our allies, to invade Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9-11, and now we're in a quagmire with men dying in the sand over there everyday. Can you explain yourself? Pres. Fraud: If you're asking if I took necessary measures to protect America before the evil doers could launch another attack, ...the answer is yes, and if you're asking if I'll wait for permission from the French to protect America, the answer is no. The GOP-leaning crowd bursts into wild applause, Kerry rolls his eyes, and all the networks that signed loyalty oaths to Bush will call this "another slam dunk" for the never-elected Pinhead.

This is what Kerry agreed to when he caved in on the debate format. Now we need a miracle." --Bartcop

the french strike back

HAHHAAH..... HAHA...ha...... (sob)

I fear that Bart has it right in this characature of what will happen on thursday. The format doesn't allow the candidates to question each other, so that means we can expect side by side press conferences with rebuttals. Now, how do you rebut that kinda crap? The only thing I can think of is a slap in the face. Remeber in 2000 when Al tried to ask Bush his stance on affirmative action? Paraphrased: "If affermative action is quotas i'm against it, if it's what I said I'm for than I'm for it."

Facts and explanations are NOT ACCEPTABLE in [presidential] discourse anymore. Anyone listening to the pre-debate discussion has been made amply aware of that. I remember in 2000 that Gore won both of the debates I watched, and clearly. Yet after each I was astonished to watch the pundits call it for Bush. To IMMEDIATELY portray that Bush had been the victor. And who would disagree with folks on TV? In that affermative action banter, gore was "too pushy." who cares that bush would't say if he was for or against affermative aciton? this is about whose more likeable-- who makes us feel good. Watching the news is a lot like going to the movies with someone with a job reserved for smart people, like professor or doctor or... journalist. Now the movie ends and your leaving the theater and she starts telling you all the reasons why the movie was really great... Maybe you thought it sucked, but might you not allow yourself to be swayed by Ms. SAT? No, not YOU, or ME. But, what if she were a professional movie critic? And you were an avid reader of her column? What if she were the television and you were voter mcwhitey? That's why these polls are so infuriating to see tossed around all damn day. that and the fact that they are being manipulated by who knows who. 95% of the analysis and discussion in the media is about strategy and polls.... Who'se winning and why? This "horse-race" WILL affect people's vote, but not in particularly helpful ways. nobody wants to vote for a loser. ok, some people do... artsy fartsy types whose favorite film was Rushmore before it became popular... but they don't vote anyway because they aren't "into politics". is 'not wanting to vote for a loser' a consideration worth pushing ahead of everything else?

My dad says he doesn't have much faith in kerry's ability to run the country because of how badly the campaign is run. ok. i agree that a badly run campaign is evidence of something or other, but what shitty evidence it is. Shouldn't we have a press evaluating the issues of our day? people get sick and have no way to see a doctor. Most working people with HMO's get pretty shitty treatment, and anything else is really reserved for the rich or those without families. Some people are out there making nuclear weapons, others want to blow them up in the US. How will we make sure that doesn't happen? Why did we go to war on incorrect intelligence? How will we make the best of what's going on there? How will we capture osama? how will we reintegrate with the world community? how will we quit our oil habit? how will we prevent global warming, if you believe it exists?

BUT NO, lets not focus on the candidates responses to these issues. let's focus on telling the american people how stupid they are by endlessly discussing how successful bush is by "staying on message." (it's amazing what a word can do, imagine if the press said "staying on script" instead of staying on message every day. imagine if they "asked" if people trust the president after iraq instead of if they trust kerry after swiftboat questions. lets remind everyone that gore was boring and kerry might be kinda boring too. these assholes are making america dumber and calling it journalism. Maybe, instead of advising kerry to be less like gore, they should be evaluating the way they made being boring the worst thing in the world in 2000. Gosh it was so boring being a prosporus respected and admired nation. ok so maybe the 90's weren't that sweet. this shit was always brewing, but maybe it's good to have someone thoughtful, instead of a SPORTS MASCOT. Bush is a BRAND, not a leader. He makes people FEEL good. and that's what matters in america. so go ahead and glut out on the petroleum that funds al queda, if not THE TERRORISTS WIN. Gosh it must feel so good to keep shopping at wallmart, so fucking patriotic you are. Is that where you bought that flag on your house? that made in indonesia for .01 cents flag that you bought so you can FEEL good.

vital issue, or loose gossip?

yeah its a ramble... the thing is that what makes you a successful presidential candidate, and what makes you a successful president, may be quite different. One is reality tv, and the other is reality. and we all know how different those two things are, don't we?

sometimes boring gets it right

speaking of reality tv, kerry HAS to hit at least a triple on thursday. It’s easily the most important event in the rest of the election, and even a minor kerry victory will be CALLED a bush victory. I’m not suggesting [here] that the media is biased for bush, but they will say this: “kerry needed a big win (cus he’s losing), but he only looked a little better than the president, so the president came out on top. he did an amazing job of not totally losing or farting on stage. what a great debater he is.”

bullshit

There is a lot of self fulfilling prophecy with the media.

Imagine if the jurors in a criminal case (lets say murder 1) got all their evidence through a tv show they watched every night. A tv show that consisted mostly of polls of what the other jurors thought and analysis of what the lawyers need to do for things to go their way. What a cynical and uninformed jury you would have. Of course we all want to jury to focus on the evidence, but that’s just too boring.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wow...i still find it hard to believe that so many people trust this Bush. On my end, it seems like mass delusion, because he comes off as so ignorant, and is such an awful public speaker by any standard...how can you trust a person like this? But I have accepted the fact, far-fetched as it seems, that about half of America simply does not perceive Bush this way.

Initially I had this theory that Bush appeals to those who don't perceive themselves as intelligent, who prefer plainspokenness and are turned off by intellectual jive talk. Maybe his oral fuckups are even ingratiating to some. But that is highly elitist on my part...it can't really be the case, can it?

I'm just trying to get some understanding about this election and why Bush is apparently succeeding. Maybe he's not, and its just the media being played by the white house, creating that public perception. Even the Democratic side is showing signs of losing faith. Perhaps the faith was pretty weak to begin with, as a lot of the campaign focused more on "someone else for president in 2004" and less on the fact that John Kerry is the more qualified candidate. Sometimes I feel like he doesn't get the support he should because maybe he's not the second coming of JFK or FDR. I still support the guy and think he's a good candidate, Bush or no Bush.

Basically, I'm getting the feeling that in this campaign, voters are going to choose based on their gut-level perception of a candidate's character, and not so much on things like experience, qualification, policy, etc. And thus there's not really going to be much swaying of voters, either way. My hope is that the youth vote will clinch it for Kerry.

Anyways, as my mind is very made up, I am loth to pay attention to media coverage of the campaign. I will likely miss tonight's debate; it'll probably be depressing for me.

Anonymous said...

Wow...i still find it hard to believe that so many people trust this Bush. On my end, it seems like mass delusion, because he comes off as so ignorant, and is such an awful public speaker by any standard...how can you trust a person like this? But I have accepted the fact, far-fetched as it seems, that about half of America simply does not perceive Bush this way.

Initially I had this theory that Bush appeals to those who don't perceive themselves as intelligent, who prefer plainspokenness and are turned off by intellectual jive talk. Maybe his oral fuckups are even ingratiating to some. But that is highly elitist on my part...it can't really be the case, can it?

I'm just trying to get some understanding about this election and why Bush is apparently succeeding. Maybe he's not, and its just the media being played by the white house, creating that public perception. Even the Democratic side is showing signs of losing faith. Perhaps the faith was pretty weak to begin with, as a lot of the campaign focused more on "someone else for president in 2004" and less on the fact that John Kerry is the more qualified candidate. Sometimes I feel like he doesn't get the support he should because maybe he's not the second coming of JFK or FDR. I still support the guy and think he's a good candidate, Bush or no Bush.

Basically, I'm getting the feeling that in this campaign, voters are going to choose based on their gut-level perception of a candidate's character, and not so much on things like experience, qualification, policy, etc. And thus there's not really going to be much swaying of voters, either way. My hope is that the youth vote will clinch it for Kerry.

Anyways, as my mind is very made up, I am loth to pay attention to media coverage of the campaign. I will likely miss tonight's debate; it'll probably be depressing for me.

Anonymous said...

damn you voter mcwhitey! damn you to hell!